HDR problems while using Onkyo RZ50 Receiver

  • Hi guys. Got a lot of help with my setup so far. I've learned so much this year, partially thanks to you guys. Lieben Danke! :)

    New work item: SDR and HDR ambilight stuff was turning on fine until I finally introduced my Onkyo RZ50, which was the end goal all along.

    • :thumbup: SDR ambilight gaming works fine with the RZ50
    • :thumbdown: but when I switch to an HDR compatible game and HDR automatically turns on, Hyperion bugs out.
      • :!: Lights flicker, hang, and crash.
      • :?: Or sometimes it works the way it used to, including slightly more washed out colors than SDR.
      • Then I have to unplug my Pi again to unfreeze it which I now know is a bad thing to do 😅



    I wanted all my consoles routed through the HDMI Inputs of the RZ50, So I believe this is primarily an RZ50 issue.


    What are my options at this point?


    1. Move to HyperHDR to access the HDR to SDR function?
      • (seems like the option that costs the least money lol)
    2. Buy a new 4x2 HDR compatible splitter/switch?
      • I'd rather not do this since I like the $80 one I have and can no longer return it.
    3. browsing some forum posts, I saw a possible 3rd option which involves changing some Hyperion settings for my usb capture card (Mirabox), but not sure if this applies to my problem and haven't tried it yet


    4. Possible solutions recommended in this post (link)(still reading)


    My setup is almost identical this diagram I found from a separate post possibly related to my issue ( link)

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    Did some more testing today and noticed something interesting.

    Each of my two Switch 2 HDR games make my lights behave differently:

    • When I turn on ARMS and the display auto switches to HDR, no problems at all.
      • (color accuracy could be better but I never minded that much. This actually may be a system HDR settings issue, but that's a separate topic)
    • However when I switch to Mario Kart World HDR, everything collapses. Happened mulitple times last night.


    on a separate topic, I'm looking at the recommended goFanco HDR > SDR splitter and I might just pull the trigger on it. Paying for peace of mind and finally being done with my setup I've been spending all year building might be worth it. 😩

    Edited 2 times, last by Him: Merged a post created by Him into this post. ().

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    We cannot provide support for HyperHDR.

    Which splitter/scaler are you using?


    What resolution/FPS are you using for Mario Kart World HDR?


    regards pclin

    Dreambox ONE / TWO

    dreamOS OE2.6

    Amlogic S922X - 53.000 DMIPS - 2 GB RAM - 16 GB Flash - Twin-DVB-S2X Tuner - HDR10 - HLG
    -
    AudioDSP: miniDSP 2x4HD - Amp: Pentagon - Lautsprecher ELAC / ARENDAL
    LG OLED65BX9LB (PicCap, hyperion.NG webOS)

    FireTV 4K max

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    hyperion (classic) & Plugin HyperionControl | hyperion-ng 2.0.16-beta.1 (dreamOS)
    Hyperion-ng (Debian bullseye)
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    6 x ESP32/Wemos D1 mini - WLED - SK6812 RGBW-NW 60 LEDs/m
    FeinTech VSP01201 - Grabber Macrosilicon

    LG TV Hyperion webOS & PicCap


    Ambilight for ever

  • sounds to me:


    RTFM 😅 your receiver, seems its in the settings. Also explore the output HDMI settings and experiment with 1 or 2 outputs used on the receiver.


    the problems started when you introduced the new receiver in your setup so i would start there for troubleshooting.


    and test per each source connected to the receiver.


    goodluck!

    • Splitter - CorsaHD - I bought it because it supports 4k@120hz which I'd like to take advantage of someday with my Series X. The GoFanco only says 4k60.
    • Mario Kart World apparently "outputs at a resolution of 1440p and is then upscaled to 4K by the console."

    • as for ARMS: While ARMS was originally released for the first-generation Switch and runs at 1080p, it can be upscaled to 4K when played on a Switch 2.



    I wonder if I'll have better luck if I connect the HDMI Main Out from the reciever directly to the TV, no splitter, like I originally planned.


    Ambient_theater77 - I have the manual saved on my phone :)


    So far the only setting I know of may surpress all HDR output options to SDR, which isn't what I want.

    Edited 2 times, last by Him: Merged a post created by Him into this post. ().

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    Currently, setups only support up to 4K 60Hz.

    Scalers can upscale to 1080p, but they cannot convert 120Hz to 60Hz.

    Very few capture devices support 4K 120/144 VRR and cost up to €300.


    regards pclin

  • Ok. what is the best solution you recommend? I can live without 4k120 ambilight capability, hopefully I don't have to unhook any cables before playing a 120hz game

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    Unfortunately, I haven't been able to achieve 4K 120Hz myself yet. And users who have tried it, and there are several threads about it here, unfortunately stopped posting at some point.


    ezcap401 and SIIG 4K 120Hz could work with Ambilight.


    Without 4K 120Hz Ambilight, you'll likely need a 4K 120Hz splitter. The scaler shouldn't be active, ideally it should be switchable. The capture device should be able to process 4K 60Hz at the input. A 4K 120Hz image should then arrive at the TV, but the capture device will receive an FPS it can't process and will output something else. You'll probably have to turn off the LED or use a specific color or effect while gaming. I would then likely control the LED via SoundReactive.


    regards pclin

  • Sidenote - Mario Kart world HDR ambilight is stable now, but the colors are very washed out so I may jump to HyperHDR or buy the downscaler anyway.

  • i am doing the hyperion thing for years now. A mate which has Hyperbian installed on a raspberry bought a new receiver.


    till this day the installation is doing things on his own we cant understand.

    problems with audio/EDID and HDCP and HDR/dolby vision problems accur sometimes.


    then he has to do a lot of twitching" with all the cables and spends time to fix"


    my take on this is: when you have a working setup and you change a component in that setup >> everything fails in the chain and you have to redo your "design" of your ambilight setup.


    took me almost a year to get it right, and i am a technician with hobby audio/video.

    now it runs simple and fluid.


    goodluck with your build 💪

  • it never really ends I guess 😅 what a year...🫠


    I still think the gofanco splitter is the best overall way to meet my HDR needs as easily as possible

  • it never really ends I guess 😅 what a year...🫠


    I just spoke to him, he eventually solved the problem with the Xolorspace 61121 scaler/splitter.


    i have that one also in my setup, NEVER problems. But a little steep at 50 dollars when i bought it 2 years ago. Only 60Hz 4k output.

    BTW hyperion doesnt need high res. input to have a great ambilight, i am using 720p on 25fps with HD107S leds and a powerfull PSU.

    those things are enough to have a really nice ambilight.


    i will show results later.


    XOLORspace 61121 1x2 4K 60HZ 4:4:4 HDR HDMI Splitter with downscaler 4k to 1080p – (3pcs HDMI cables pack)
    FEATURES Support HDMI 2.0, HDCP2.2 Support 3D video format Support high resolution up to 3840X2160/60HZ Support the max baud rate of 18Gbps and TMDS clock can…
    xolorspace.com

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    With a 4K 60 Hz splitter, you will have to switch connections if you want to use 4K 120 Hz.


    In Hyperion, you need different brightness and color saturation values for SDR and HDR.

    The values can be set, for example, manually via a script. If the grabber offers hardware control, you can set it through that. If the grabber does not offer this, there are other options.

    Image Processing > Saturation gain and Brightness gain


    There are various Mirabox grabbers; the 'cheapest' one has the same macrosilicon chip as many significantly cheaper grabbers. Even the best one can 'only' handle 4K 30Hz, so 4K 60Hz always needs to be scaled.

    If you post the output of usb-devices and v4l2-ctl --all (Terminal), we can say more about the Mirabox.


    regards pclin

  • pclin looking up HyperHDR and I think I'm going to move to that program instead since it seems to solve all of my specific problems at the same time.

    It looks like I can switch platforms and not have to change my current devices that already work great. If I change my mind I'll be back. Thanks for all the help and an awesome program.

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    You'll still encounter limitations of your setup with a 4K 120Hz splitter/scaler/grabber; HDR/SDR is simpler and more accurate.

    Good luck!


    regards pclin

    Dreambox ONE / TWO

    dreamOS OE2.6

    Amlogic S922X - 53.000 DMIPS - 2 GB RAM - 16 GB Flash - Twin-DVB-S2X Tuner - HDR10 - HLG
    -
    AudioDSP: miniDSP 2x4HD - Amp: Pentagon - Lautsprecher ELAC / ARENDAL
    LG OLED65BX9LB (PicCap, hyperion.NG webOS)

    FireTV 4K max

    -
    hyperion (classic) & Plugin HyperionControl | hyperion-ng 2.0.16-beta.1 (dreamOS)
    Hyperion-ng (Debian bullseye)
    -
    6 x ESP32/Wemos D1 mini - WLED - SK6812 RGBW-NW 60 LEDs/m
    FeinTech VSP01201 - Grabber Macrosilicon

    LG TV Hyperion webOS & PicCap


    Ambilight for ever

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